with all the discussion here about the dangers of religion, its morality issues, and so on i thought it would be interesting to have a discussion (especially given the large population of science oriented folks on this board) where we discuss the same issues with respect to science.
now this is not meant to be some i want to go back to the dark ages thread, but more so that recognition that there are moral, ethical, and hell survival issues with science that need to be addressed.. michael crichton as most know is both a famous author and an extremely bright individual who attended harvard medical school, in his novel jurrassic park he raised some issues with science and its dangers: .
"jurassic park was intended to warn the general public concerning the inherent dangers of biotechnology first of all, but also science in general.
we just have to watch out for those evil scientists and headless clones that want to take over the verld
LOL, isn't that the truth. I mean its always those mad genius types plotting to take over the world. Tetra is probably down in his basement mixing up a vat of clone warriors to do his bidding.
just read in the newspaper that some 54% of americans favor creationism and diss darwin.
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i know, never trust a stat you haven't faked yourself, but... is creationism (especially yec) really that wide spread in the us?
Steve,
Your question is the same basically as mine, where did everything (matter, stars, galaxies, etc.) come from, either it always was or it came from somplace, but then, how did it get there, and so on. To me the same dilemma people have with an eternal God, I have a problem with an eternal universe.
just read in the newspaper that some 54% of americans favor creationism and diss darwin.
.
i know, never trust a stat you haven't faked yourself, but... is creationism (especially yec) really that wide spread in the us?
TS,
That makes sense, that's where I was thinking the idea of God as an origin should go for the most, though I might go so far as to at least mention it in a cosmology class with advice to sign up for a philosophy class for further study.
As Columbo used to say, just one more question, I understand your hardline on testable items belonging in science clase, or in this case a cosmology class. The question: are the Big Bang theory, Steady State, or any other of the current origins theories testable in the way that you mean it?
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the rat is getting drunk, so early in the day..... cheers
JH you lush. Keep posting, it will be fun to watch you get drunk and it will be interesting to see what your posts and typing are like.
just read in the newspaper that some 54% of americans favor creationism and diss darwin.
.
i know, never trust a stat you haven't faked yourself, but... is creationism (especially yec) really that wide spread in the us?
Steve,
Does it sound a whole lot more convincing to say, the universe always just, was?
Dave,
Mention them all, lump them together I guess, but it seems that if you are going to talk origins something would have to be said.
Mention God in sex ed, hmm, no, but do we mention morality, or just tell the kids get it on as much as you can as long as you wear a condom?
just read in the newspaper that some 54% of americans favor creationism and diss darwin.
.
i know, never trust a stat you haven't faked yourself, but... is creationism (especially yec) really that wide spread in the us?
Okay, Tetra stood in for the Funky-one. If that is the issue, then I am all for teaching evolution in the science class and mums the word on God, no problem there.
Here's my question then, is there any place in the science class, or should it be in some other class, or should it be taught at all, that is origins of everything/cosmology. And if it is taught/discussed, does God get mentioned then?
with all the discussion here about the dangers of religion, its morality issues, and so on i thought it would be interesting to have a discussion (especially given the large population of science oriented folks on this board) where we discuss the same issues with respect to science.
now this is not meant to be some i want to go back to the dark ages thread, but more so that recognition that there are moral, ethical, and hell survival issues with science that need to be addressed.. michael crichton as most know is both a famous author and an extremely bright individual who attended harvard medical school, in his novel jurrassic park he raised some issues with science and its dangers: .
"jurassic park was intended to warn the general public concerning the inherent dangers of biotechnology first of all, but also science in general.
SNG,
Thanks for the reply.
Just in case anyone is wondering, I ask this stuff because I seriously think about it and wonder what other people think, not as a launching pad for me to advance any set of beliefs.
with all the discussion here about the dangers of religion, its morality issues, and so on i thought it would be interesting to have a discussion (especially given the large population of science oriented folks on this board) where we discuss the same issues with respect to science.
now this is not meant to be some i want to go back to the dark ages thread, but more so that recognition that there are moral, ethical, and hell survival issues with science that need to be addressed.. michael crichton as most know is both a famous author and an extremely bright individual who attended harvard medical school, in his novel jurrassic park he raised some issues with science and its dangers: .
"jurassic park was intended to warn the general public concerning the inherent dangers of biotechnology first of all, but also science in general.
Terry,
Thanks for the link, very, very cool, I am saving that one!
BD
with all the discussion here about the dangers of religion, its morality issues, and so on i thought it would be interesting to have a discussion (especially given the large population of science oriented folks on this board) where we discuss the same issues with respect to science.
now this is not meant to be some i want to go back to the dark ages thread, but more so that recognition that there are moral, ethical, and hell survival issues with science that need to be addressed.. michael crichton as most know is both a famous author and an extremely bright individual who attended harvard medical school, in his novel jurrassic park he raised some issues with science and its dangers: .
"jurassic park was intended to warn the general public concerning the inherent dangers of biotechnology first of all, but also science in general.
Tetra,
Thanks for the reply, very cool stuff as always and plenty of food for thought.
I'll offer that goat on the hibachi tonight to your benevolence.
BD
just read in the newspaper that some 54% of americans favor creationism and diss darwin.
.
i know, never trust a stat you haven't faked yourself, but... is creationism (especially yec) really that wide spread in the us?
Why do you continue to pretend that that is the issue in question?
Okay, precisely and concisely, what exactly is the issue in question? Frame it as tightly as you can.
